A week or so ago I had an acquaintance come up to me and ask me how I would go about building a knife block. He has a set of steak knives with no block and was having trouble finding one in stores. I do occasionally have people reach out to me and ask me advice on building something, and I am always willing to share. I gave him a couple ideas on how one could be made. He then offers me $20 to make him one. I politely declined.
I haven’t yet made anything with the intent to be sold. The closest I have come to that is building gifts for others. That said, I have not figured out what the best formula is for pricing my work.
To make a point, I have no issues against Ikea or Walmart. They both fill a market need, and, admittedly, have shopped at both stores. However, what I, and other woodworkers for that matter, find frustrating is when people confuse mass produce products of varying quality to a custom piece. My goal in the wood shop isn’t to build something that will compete Ikea or Walmart. The products in those stores are mass produced in a way to produce them quickly and cheaply. For the casual on looker its hard to get past that idea, and are often surprised at how much a custom piece can cost. They don’t see the preparation of the stock, the machine setup, the test cuts, applying the finish, or even the time it takes to come with even some basic plans. Therefore, even a simple knife block could have 5-6 hours invested in it. So, for that amount of time, for a custom made piece, would $100 be fair? $80? $50? While it would be easy to say “it’s just a knife block” it is easy to forget it is custom made vs. store bought.
Being realistic, I doubt I would ever take on a commission that simple, simply because no one would be willing to pay what it would take to make one, vs. buying from the store. Unless of course its my wife asking for it! 🙂
Along the same lines, a more realistic commission would be a piece of furniture, say a night stand. This could take 20 or more hours to make, and for a skilled woodworker, it would not be unreasonable to ask $1000. Most likely this is a custom design that has gone through several revisions till it meets his customer’s satisfaction. Then their is material cost. Lets face it, good hardwood is not inexpensive. Then after the piece is made, providing the customer finish samples so that they can get the right look. It is easy to see why a simple furniture piece can get up to $1000. Now understand what his frustration would be if the customer asked the woodworker to do this for $100. I know I wouldn’t be happy.
Since I haven’t done any commission work myself, I don’t feel in a place to offer much in the way of pricing a commission. However, I can understand to a degree people’s misconception of how much a commissioned piece should cost. First off, they are flooded with DIY TV shows that demonstration projects being put together in under 30 minutes, so it seems much more simple to build a piece then it really is. Also if a person’s budget is tight they maybe look for a cheaper alternative then what they see in stores, and not understanding what is involved in making a piece, think that having a piece made is a viable option. The reality is what a piece costs in a store would barely cover the cost of material for a custom made piece.
Coming up with a reasonable price for a commissioned piece is always going to be a challenge. The best advice I can give anyone who is ready to branch out to this, is have a fair pricing formula, and be able to clearly show the customer what is going into the piece. Finally, don’t ever undercut yourself. Your time is worth more than you think, make sure you get something for it.
This article really hits home. Just pricing out the materials to build an item for free (for family members), I get a lot of questions and comments about the high price (and remember, this is not including my time which is free!).
Great blog by the way, I shared this post on my site for you too:
http://woodworkingdaily.com/183/the-value-of-a-project
Glad you liked the post, and I appreciate the share as well! You are exactly right about the cost of materials, which I touched very little on in this post, and for they hobby woodworker it can be difficult to get material at the bulk rates a furniture maker can get.
A future project I am currently designing is going to take around $300 in wood to build. We can got to Ikea or Walmart and buy something similar for $100-$150. The point of our craft isn’t necessarily about saving money, it is about building quality pieces that will last a few generations.
It seems that I am at the same place in my hobby that you are. I have similar questions/reservations about taking on a commission. It is good to see someone else’s thoughts about the topic.
I have debated trying a project for profit – it would help justify money spent in the shop. But I don’t feel comfortable yet with the quality of my work. I have debated trying something simple for profit (such as a cutting board or other project that one might sell at a craft show), or taking on a commission of something more complicated, or just keeping to building things for myself.
I think right now I’m with you – I’ll just stick to building things for family. That list is long enough to keep me busy for a while.
I just found your blog and am enjoing looking through your projects.
I am glad you are enjoying my blog! It sounds like you are on the right track. I think we as woodworkers will know when we are ready to take on a paid project, and isn’t necessarily a question on skill/quality level you are able to produce. As my post indicated, being able to price out your work is important, but its also taking the next step of making it more than just a hobby.